Contemplation + Psychedelics: An Interview With Stuart Ray Sarbacker
What is the relationship between the types of experiences that arise out of the use of psychedelics and more endogenously derived types of religious experiences?
What is the relationship between the types of experiences that arise out of the use of psychedelics and more endogenously derived types of religious experiences?
I saw that the two were completely inseparable. I was at the monastery seeing people incorporating traditional medicine into the monastic lifestyle. And then I was at the traditional medicine schools, incorporating meditation and ritual into the healing practices.
At first glance, it seems like just a matter of degree—listening a little longer, giving a bit more time. But it’s not just a quantitative difference; it’s a qualitative transformation. Something deeply different happens when we give each other more time to make sense, more time to dwell with what feels unresolved.
Landscape architects, artists, painters, designers have known for many years—many decades, centuries—that nature has the power to induce a contemplative state of mind.
Michael Sheehy is Research Associate Professor and Director of Research at the Contemplative Sciences Center at University of Virginia where he is Principal at CIRCL Contemplative Innovation + Research Co-Lab and Editor in Chief of the Journal of Contemplative Studies.
Oludamini Ogunnaike is an Associate Professor of African Religious Thought and Democracy at the University of Virginia. He is the author of Deep Knowledge: Ways of Knowing in Sufism and Ifa, Two West African Intellectual Traditions (2020) and Poetry in Praise of Prophetic Perfection: West African Madīḥ Poetry and its Precedents (2020).
Yuria Celidwen, PhD, is an Indigenous scholar of Nahua and Maya lineages from the highlands of Chiapas, Mexico. Her research centers on Indigenous forms of contemplation and the transcendent experience embodied in prosocial behavior. Celidwen is a postdoctoral fellow in the Department of Psychology of the University of California, Berkeley, and a senior fellow at the Othering & Belonging Institute. She is the author of Flourishing Kin: Indigenous Wisdom for Collective Well-Being (2024).
Sonam Kachru is Assistant Professor in the Religious Studies Department at Yale University, specializing in the history of premodern South Asian philosophy and literature, with an emphasis on Buddhist philosophy. He is the author of Other Lives: Mind and World in Indian Buddhism (2021).
Tanya Luhrmann is the Albert Ray Lang Professor of Anthropology at Stanford University, sometimes with a courtesy appointment in Psychology. She is the author of When God Talks Back: Understanding the American Evangelical Relationship with God (2012) and How God Becomes Real: Kindling the Presence of Invisible Others (2020).
Marc-Henri Deroche is Associate Professor at Kyoto University, Japan, where he teaches Buddhist and Tibetan Studies and researches mindfulness in Buddhist philosophy, theories, and manuals of meditation. He is the author of A Tibetan Quest for Wisdom: Prajñāraśmi (1518–1584) and the Sources of the Impartial (ris med) Approach (2023), and issue editor for “Study, Reflection, and Cultivation: Integrative Paths to Wisdom from Buddhist and Comparative Perspectives” (Religions 2022) and “Tibetan Studies in Japan: Approaching the High Plateau from the Archipelago” (Cahiers d’Extrême-Asie 2024).
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